Well, Scott, all I can say is that it took me about 15 minutes of laughing, guffawing, walking around the patio trying to compose myself, wiping the tears from my eyes, and then having to go to the bathroom! When I mentioned "cartoons"...this is obviously MORE than expected...and worth every one of those 109 seconds to make the point so many of us are attempting to make in the 109 minutes it takes to read the similar comments. This is truly a Classic! "In a nutshell", Scott...sure tells the whole story...and TRUTH of the matter!

Now, Jamey R. Brooks...this is what I mean by "OUTSIDE SOURCE!!" Get the picture...? "Yes...WE do!"

John King

I can't take credit for the cartoon; but I do hope readers, along with those who got poked a little fun at, will have a good laugh.

Scott Duckett

If you guys paid attention to the last election, you would know that it was the voters who told them what to do. Either way, three cheers for Gary for seeing all the waste the last several years and doing something about it!

Looks like another senior citizen has fallen under Gary's spell. Sad.

Roberto,
what do you mean another senior citizen?
JB

Okay, Scott...I can appreciate whoever were the brains behind the organization was on this one! The Gazette ought to do more on these once in awhile. You can even poke fun at me, too...I do it a lot to myself, as others seem to enjoy it, also. Maybe Roberto is alluding to me, June Bug...I'm a Senior Citizen (65). Oh, to grow old gracefully...

The compiler of the vid-cartoon should have made the dog black...resemblance to Pebbles! Next time, have it bite the gorilla! Or someone else not-so-nice!

John King

Fraubro...did you ever think that "Gary The Gorilla" was actually a major part of that "waste"...and is still at it with his mouthilitis problem?

John

John,
The fact remains that our City led by Roy (the BIG pain) waaaaay over paid for our sewer plant. Gary, even as an out of towner, stepped in to help the citizens stop the bleeding. And you guys want to bash this recent widower? The voters make you guys look like fools, not us.

fraubro (Dave Rottner),

We over paid for our sewer plant? Gary stopped the bleeding? What? You're just as confused as Clay.

With all the bashing you do on your blog, i wouldn't be talking.

Okay, guys. Listen for a second...Roy Payne resigned. He gave his criteria for this resignation in, what I consider to be, a very honest, and open letter to the public domain. Roy's tenure with Fillmore was admirable to say the least. Roy's decision has culminated itself at this time and everything is in the past, although some of Roy's decisions will still be working in and for Fillmoreites for years onward. Let's let this go; and I will respect my suggestion.

We have some issues with some folks within the City Council. This is obviously true. Allow these newly-elected people work out their problems within the Council, and vice-versa. No voter can alter the course now for Gayle and Jamey. These two can only work for themselves in making alterations to their management style. Mrs. Walker also has a critical position as she is trying not only to satisfy everybody (which she actually cannot do), but perform the intense position of Mayor at the same time. Go ahead and check out the Mayoral Job Description sometime. Could we all do this?

Another "given", but a correctable one is Old Man Creagle's efforts to scream, in a high-pitched, falsetto voice, his version of how people in Fillmore's management and other's should simply do their jobs and run their lives. I did not realize that Creagle lost his wife recently, and my sincere condolences on this; however, if Creagle wants to campaign for public office again and make his internal vote count, then he should do so. Otherwise and personally, it's okay to graciously voice opinion at Council meetings, but to organize vendettas and arguments simply because Creagle does not like someone or something is ludicrous. Someone please inform him that his voice will be heard at appropriate times, with the proper attitude, altitude, tone-age and subject matter.

There will always be controversies. Even in a perfect world, as we will most likely never have one in the foreseeable future, it is oftentimes funny, sometimes sad, most often very critical, sometimes interesting, and seemingly quite set apart from viewpoints others may have. But it's alright to voice this. Nobody will be suppressed. But, I think it may be time to allow the wheels of internal Fillmore government to do their jobs, and to give critiques when necessary; nobody is perfect, you know.

I see Fillmore is split in opinion. Seems there are a majority of two factions at work here, and a small, silent group working aside everything. Well, time to use the Wishing Well in front of the City Hall more when necessary, and if things get out of control, head for the ice cream shop next door. I'm never without ice cream at my house, and it calms me down every time.

John King

...It was a dark and stormy night...and rain was pouring down; it was very cold. While normal people were snug in their homes, Old Man Creagle was making more plans in his lair in the cold, musty cave. The plans were not good ones. Clay, who may already be shy of apes, ran away into more populated and intelligent surrounds, hoping to become known as one of them. Elvira...er, "GW" for short, is now wondering where the stoolie went, and who will be the next one falling victim to the apes madness! We will soon see in the next episode where the "chips and dips" will fall. It's Bedtime For Bonzo...don't you think?

Goodnight, kiddies!

JK

Payne, Campbell, Rapp, Ristau and the crew all worship themselves for "saving" the sewer rate payers $814,000 when the last rate hike was predicted. If you can read a spreadsheet you will see that operating expenses for the sewer plant were in the budget too soon. The above "saints" corrected that mistake, since the plant was not operating and told us how hard they worked to cut costs and saved us so much money. That's how they pull the wool over the citizen's eyes all the time. Wake up!

Herr Rottner...I can hear the fat lady warming up for her singing gig, already!

*John King*

In other words, "it 'ain't over, 'till the fat lady sings!"

*Johann Koenig*

Hey, Rottener...what do you mean GARY saw the waste? Why don't you ask GARY to PROVE his weak stuff sometime, with facts that are available to everybody? He spews a lotta gas, but when you ask him for bona fides...then he's MIA! Try it sometime...nobody wants to hear about Senate Bill so and so, or Assembly Bill such and such... When a bill becomes law, it is codified...ask him to show you THE LAW in the CODE!!!

Yeah. Now THAT's what I'm a talkin' about...

Rottener, you shoulda been around durin' 84' to '88, or if you WERE around, you shoulda been payin' attention to what GARY was doin'! I was here. I was payin' attention. And EVERY work Roy wrote was true, cuz I saw it happen just thataway...Gayle wasn't here...Jamey wasn't paying attention, I guarantee you that... GARY's just tryin' his weak stuff on the new generation, and pretty soon, it's all gonna unravel...

Go back to yer own blog, Rottener...

Rottweiler...I WAS IN FILLMORE, too, at that time Pancone mentioned! I know what "Gary the Gorilla" did (and IS). Cannot you ever see the forest for the trees, dude?

John, Rottener can't, nor can a lotta other deluded folks...but, those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it...and so it will be this time...Creagle was outted as a wind bag back then, and he was at least smart enough not to run for a second term...after some blood runs down the streets of our town, the folks who have lined up behind Creagle now will again realize that he is nothin' but a wind bag...but, after a lotta damage is done... but, let it happen...it's the only way they're gonna figger it out... it's already happening!!!

Yes, sir. I know exactly what you are stating, and it is completely, and entirely true. I think you said a mouthful what you entire comment concluded in the 9:14pm comment, above. I hope Rottweiler (for one) gets the sheer message; but I'm afraid he is just fluttering in the wind stream from Old Man Creagle's oral gas bubble that keeps bursting!

There IS a considerable amount of public and personal damage Old Man Creagle has done to Fillmore; to himself as well, of late. This guy was an absolute trip when I saw him in action and knew of him when I lived in Fillmore; even prior to 1984, too! Nobody whom I knew really cared much for him, his actions and thought process. I feel so bad that Roy's decision to remove himself came at this time and place, but as instrumental as he was to Fillmore and to those who respected him, it is very possible Fillmoreites, who are far from brain-dead, will know exactly on who those PARTIES are that are preventing progress and distraught right now. It does take a simple mind to follow the "Creagle Philosophy" in any sense of imagination.

Thanks again, Pancone.

* John King *

If you knew more of Creagle's background, even before '84, you'd be even more amazed!!! He had credibility initially because he was a retired deputy sheriff...BUT...when you listened a little bit, then looked into the things he said, well...didn't quite all add up...he's made some pretty outrageous claims lately, within the last year or so...can't back it up...

Well, Pancone...I already know about this, but did not realize it was out in the public breathing-air concerning his credibility. Notwithstanding his tenure as a sheriff, this has no bearing on who, or what he always was or is today, nor what he will be tomorrow. I think he ought to simply go to the next Council meeting, make apologies to everybody in public (although I doubt if he has the Cashew nuts to do this) and beg-off, saying he will spend the rest of his time fishing off Oxnard and reading great books. These continual disruptions he is creating are not helping the purposes of the Council OR the good people of Fillmore.

* John King *

He won't apologize...I think all that's needed is for those who are his minions and puppets to start asking him to back things up...that's all... If I were Clay, I'd have been embarrassed to have been led around City Hall like a lap dog, and if I were the others, I'd look at this cartoon that the Gazette posted and realize that yeah...people are laughing at me behing my back...not just the Gazette... but out in the streets too...

It's time for the folks who got elected to realize that they represent EVERYBODY in town, not just the folks that voted for them (Jamey...ya listening? Thats the oath you took...wasn't just a pro forma statement...look 'pro forma' up if you don't understand what that means) And slow it all down, LEARN what the job's all about, and start acting like the professionals that we all expect you to be...even if we didn't vote for ya...

I know "Gary the Gorilla" will never apologize...it is not in his character to do so.

Probably I can take some blame for the cartoon, as I emailed the Gazette and made a request for political cartoons to be posted once in a while. I said that one cartoon can say a million words...and this one sure did; and it's a true classic in truth! To say the least, Pancone...we are getting the biggest, continuous laughing jags out of this cartoon over here across the waters of the Pacific; but it is also sad because of the bumbling, obvious idiocy some people profounded themselves to be, as depicted as characters in this cartoon, have made of themselves. I've been laughed at too, in my life, but I took it with a grain of salt, laughed along with the crowd and went on from there...correcting whatever I had to correct. We should not go on through life thinking the Divine Almighty will protect us. "It 'ain't necessarily so"...as the old song goes.

Clay should have known better in his position to be leashed and led like Pebbles down the street to pee. But sometimes we follow...sometimes we lead. Live and learn, Clay-Boy?

If Jamey feels like he can control his parishioner's, so be it; maybe he does...but these folks who are being discussed should figure on a long, difficult road ahead, bringing the grief to them they don't deserve, but bring onto themselves, through their own actions only.

John King

Funny how you all backed off the $814,000 issue without addressing it or the fact that the powers then, misled the public.
I've been here since 1989 and have known Gary since 1992. To me, he has always been in favor of what the towns folk want. He shows no interest in personal gain other than just being a friend. I remember reading about the "Engish Official Language" thing, that was blown way out of proportion. For this one thing you hang everything on. Pretty weak, if you ask me.
What has Gary got to gain from Fillmore? Has he aligned himself with developers or others who will make him profit from the City's decisions? Roy and Roger have...
Now, Gary has asked me to have you reveal your real names, so his lawyer can take your deposition. Please be so kind as to leave your names and addresses.
I am Dave Roegner, in case you can't figure it out.

P.S. You can call me mein Führer.

mein Führer,

You are confused. But that's OK, it happens to the best of us.

By the way, Gary asked me to have you reveal your home address, social security number, and home telephone number to everyone one the blog.

No need to do this, Condor. Call him by his most acceptable name, Rottner or Rottweiler. Mein Fuhrer is way far above his grade level.

By the way, Rottweiler, I knew who you were, anyway...there were no Rottner's in Fillmore on "People Search"; I figured this out over a month ago.

I do have one further question, however...Who told you, or how come you ever have the thought...and evidence...that Tom Ristau is a relative of Roy Payne?

John King

I'm in the phone book, condor. Roy King, when did I say Tom was related to you?

Mr. Roegner...you are mixed-up again. Same as you buddy Gary. Why don't you two take a trip back to Palos Heights, Illinois for old times sakes. The winter air will do you both good.

JK