Well CPR...you sure left yourself open on this one. Notice how i didn't drive a truck through it? It's a good question and i will respond when i gather my thoughts. Here is a little hint though... This site was a great idea, people aren't stupid and it appears that the Backslapping Amen Club isn't recruiting any new members to agree with them. Maybe after a years worth of bitter hatred toward a few good people it only netted you 4 followers in your club. So the majority of the Towns people read the posts then roll their eyes and say 'Oh Brother' they are still at it.

How come you'all keep Lori in a cage and feed her Bon Bons to keep her quiet? are you afraid of what she might say if you crossed her?

what a hateful, ugly post. A simple kind question deserves a civil answer. Busy babysitting CPR, and trying to find time to put the Christmas stuff away.Getting over a cold! thanks for asking! lol--- Sad that others just simply cant be civil.

Fillmore Native...NO I WON'T DATE YOU!

Comeon' Agent86, be nice! I knew this question would be a slammer for me, but this is why I entered the post, so people would come out and at least give some input to something. In my little world, there were not too much after-holidays cleaning-up to do, we have been virtually too busy with other matters, and now travel in the next three days out of the country. However, not too busy to post comments about world affairs and some local articles. Everyone has the opportunity to do this.

Agent86...when we spoke in negative terms previously considering the Walker, Washburn and Brooks Council Members, which is direct to your reference above, (which I was not going after in my original post), the action was exactly the same response from the fusillade directed against other former council person's and Mayors or City Manager's in the past; of which the bombardment came inequivoco from your camp, and those threesome whom we are now holding accountability for, for their insufficiency's and incapability's in and of their positions. You are too quick to forget the past, huh? Simple photo-ops do not get it! Maybe soon, there will be a rundown of all the obvious issues on this matter posted in the news and in the web as fore-casted by the Gazette. The facts will be presented completely. We should be human enough to face it, fix it, and move on.

Dave, we see the same disappointment every day when we turn on the television and see the news. We have a President who knows nothing about what he is doing. He has virtually no experience in any facet of government, even the military forte and foreign policy forte. He happens to be a very junior senator and a former teacher of law; and of those, he also has little experience! There is absolutely no room for on-the-job trainees, here, Agent86. We cannot afford screwups in local to national and international realms. It is too costly and time-consuming. Are you upset that Obama is not giving Social Security COL's (cost-of-living) increases for the next two+ years due to the high-spending he has imposed on the US, and not offset this with affixed taxes to the rich...and the rich are protesting they will not pay for Omama's mistakes, and this "war on terror"? Enough said.

Agent86, the post you made to FillmoreNative was demeaning. Totally arrogant on your part. Way out of line.

Maybe when the updating web site of the Gazette will appear, there may be new rules governing the site - we will wait and see what the management staff will do with this.

Double standards is just one of the main traits of the cabal, CPR... callin' the pot black... Hypocrisy...whatever ya wanna call it...cryin' when others turn the same guns on them that they used is another trait. Unfortunately, I don't believe a whole heck of a lotta people know that...

Boy, CPR you are so misinformed and brainwashed it make me sick to my stomach. The law regarding COLAs for Social Securty, for instance, has nothing to do with OBama but is result of a law passed by a congress several years ago. i personally am sick and tired of your pontifications and know it all postings. What really bothers me the the most is your repeating the lies and half truths of the right wing. You claim to have insightt and knowledge into most everything and you actually don't have a clue. I am surprised you are even allowed to post at the gazette but on the other hand given the right wing bent of the Gazette I understand.
As far as Obama is concerned I think if he could prove that he could walk on water you and your ilk
would complain that he got the soles of his feet wet.
I have bit my tongue for a long time but can't do it any longer. I am ashamed that my home town seems more like a redneck town in Mississippi or Alabama than the all American town I remember. Shame on all of you.

Bill Shaffer.... I wish I had said that.

Bill, most of us have just given up on making comments. It just encourages them. It would be nice to have a forum to calmly discuss local events, but this is not it.

Agent 86 and Bandmom, Thanks for the support.

you're-both-wrong
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/social-security-cola/

Obama is not responsible, we had no COLA this year and the posting by June Bug shows that what I said was right. We got no COLA this year because of a law passed by Congress many years ago. The budget deficit had nothing to do with it. To blame the president for it is a lie. Where were these Folks when the last Administration ran up the biggest deficit in history? In my view they are hypocrites.

Hello Bill. You said "the last Administration ran up the biggest deficit in history"? Up until when, Nov of 2008? I don't have data to support either side of the debate currently. Perhaps others do.

Steve Conaway

hi steve,
I think that you will find that the national debt was doubled during the Bush years.

Steve, When Bush was sworn in on January 20, 2001, the national debt was $5,727,776,738,304.64.
When "W" left office on January 20, 2009, the national debt was $10,626,877,048,913.08.
I guess that's not quite double but close enough for government work.

Mr. Shaffer, according to a CBS News Report of March 17, 2009: "The National Debt stood at $10.6-trillon on the day Barack Obama took office. But if his budget projections are accurate, he’ll run up nearly as much government debt in four years as President Bush did in eight".
See: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/03/17/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry...

The National Debt currently stands at $12.3 trillion. So in just 12 months Obama has increased the debt by $1.7 trillion, multiply that by 4 years and that equates to $6.8 trillion, so looks like Obama is well on his way to overtaking Bush and he will do it in 4 years, not eight.

Roy, Thanks for the information. We both
know however that if and when the economy turns around that figure could be less. As a fiscal conservative I can only pray that these projections are wrong and that our economic conditions improve. There are a lot of things that could change these figures and naturally the wars are major. When and what can be done to change all of that remains to be seen.
One of my major regrets in my life is I never knew you in person and never had a chance to work with you. I did follow your years in Fillmore and know without a doubt that you did a lot for the community both as Manager and as a consultant. I know too, that there are many Fillmore people who appreciate your efforts in their behalf. Even though your years of hard work never really affected me I appreciate it too. Thanks again!

The growth of our national debt should concern all. I've not read or heard of a country that spent its way to prosperity or taxed itself to recovery.

Steve Conaway

Mr. Shaffer, I appreciate all of your observations and comments. I too hope that the economy will turn around for the benefit of everyone.

I wonder if the same 4 will get it, they are not the only people that can think. I too got tired of the same old know it all, got the best, facts!!, done it all, I am the best, have the best, he's the only one, preaching that goes on this blog. Only replying because I see other have been backing out of comments do to the bashing you take for voicing an opion that they don't believe in. I can think and believe what I want with out hiding behind others opions, remember words or only as good as the actions behind them. No matter what the GOM's say, Fillmore is still going in the right direction and still is the bets little town left, but I am sure CPR will tell ya his town is better because he lives there, just more Texas hot air. Type away ya'll!!!

Well, to all who have lambasted me for voicing opinions of this or that, this is fine. I get it as well as give it out, but all is fair. Some of it comes from those who obviously are not, themselves, in quite the totally informed group; some comes from an informed group. It happens I feel Fillmore is NOT a simpleton, laid-back, dried-up little Mississippi town as was stated above, and you said you feel that way about it now. Have you ever been to one of those little Mississippi or Alabama towns lately...or at all, Bill, and know what you actually are talking about? I've lived in Troy and Mobile, Alabama. I have also lived in Biloxi, Mississippi for a time; more than I resided in Fillmore. They are not as bad as you may think.

Don't slip your self-proclaimed credibility and do what you accuse me falsely of. If other people feel they are not obligated to get into any website and discuss their point of views, right or wrong or indifferent, with others, then what is the worth of voicing opinions at all...you did, but did so after I left for Hong Kong for a meeting and could not immediately defend myself. And, for your information, Bill, the town is not a town I reside in, it is a city; and this city has issues like all other cities do; this is not a perfect world.

I reside overseas, (since June 2000 and never returned to the US - I'm permanent resident of the country I reside in) Bill, not Texas. I left Texas in June 2000 after I sold my home and three vehicles plus a motorcycle and one-half of the furniture (shipping the other half to my new residence here). What happens to be upsetting the thousands of US Citizens in this country and those multi-thousands of US Citizens the world over who live in other foreign countries, is that Cost of Living increases have been made static (withheld) from all US citizen recipients residing in any overseas foreign country, plus they never received the last stimulus check because of that same living location. Those residing in the US received theirs, however. Not fair playing fields. By the way, I do not receive US Social Security at all...I'm self-supporting by means of investments and a business I own. From my direct observations and discussions, changes are forthcoming! For your information, it is you who are misinformed somewhat, Bill Shaffer. Your little lap dogs like Agent86 are right there with you, too. You may have worked for municipal at one time, Bill, but that was before, now no more. Maybe some folks HAVE been there and done it, too...some have that education. I never got stuck in one place all my life, nor was transported to a retirement location to live the rest of my life looking at the hills and trees until I die. I like to learn, travel, learn new languages and cultures, be educated, discuss things, give opinion, be very open-minded and overt, get facts if I'm wrong and to talk with folks who think along the same lines like I do and are not ashamed to discuss things even if they feel they are wrong or are overshadowed (intimidated) by another who may actually know what they are talking about. If there are some who cannot join me, (and some that do) all the better. Let's talk! (y'all).

CPR, There is one important ingredient to your persona (all of them) that you never learned or obtained in all your worldly travels, and that is class, and it seems to me at your age, you will spend the rest of your days without it. To bad, so sad.

Class...(?.

Maybe Martin can introduce you to the rules for blogging, Dave. Seems he also has to remind you more than once on this website and in public!

Let's get back to reality, Roegner.

Dear CPR I am not Bill, he probly lives in the USA and close by or in Fillmore. You state that you don't get to much time to answer blog page as you are working too much, but you have a comment on every thing posted by the paper. I too work alot and can only find little bits of time to read blogs and letters and amazed you are every where. Just want to know do you really walk on water and can part the sea? I know I have faults and can admit to not knowing every thing, that why I read these blogs and letters for others input to situations going on and respect my fellow local members of my community for insight to our local problems. I love living in the USA and plan to do so all my life. Once again you don't know me CPR but I too have some good things about me that you will never know and reserve my right to be a normal person and not some self centered person.

Hi, again, 'sheiky'. I did not expect any return comments from my latest fusillade yesterday, but at least there was one comeback. I honestly admit that I was anticipating being unloaded on sometime by some. However, to engage your comment above, I made a statement recently that I have to take my Apple laptop with me everyplace I go for various communications between my home, business and the maid at our condo in Manila and in the Provincial home. Therefore, I do get into blogging when the occasion warrants - mostly in the mornings; thus the volume of comments sometimes.

My life has taken many turns, 'sheiky'. With over 30+ years in the military, degrees in my profession reaching past the doctorate level and places I have gone, people I have met, personally know and can call anytime, and all that is encompassing my life, sure, I have been more a mover and shaker and now gifted (if that can be the word to use) with a viable business and investment portfolio which requires my full attention. Blogging satisfies the relaxation needed to get my mind off work and all, and sometimes, yes, I'm sharp, brief and pointed in my statements. If this is wrong, sorry, it is my personality. Everyone has their own style...don't they?? I think it is great so many psychiatrists live in Fillmore and now have discovered my "inner self". Thanks...I never knew myself to be this schizophrenic.

Bill lives somewhere in the Carolina's or Tennessee - the south, in a comfortable mountain community home. I cannot blame him one bit for this, as I would sometimes opt for this myself. We acquire the life we want, and must live it ourselves. Nobody can say it is bad or good. Well, if I come off as being arrogant, self-centered, egotistical - call it what you want to - you guys do not know me personally; which might surprise you as to what makes me human. I think I'm the complete opposite from what is printed in this blogsite. No dual personalities here. Just remarking on the interesting news in Fillmore and wondering why some of those criticizing me seem so perfect.

Sheiky,
I don't know who you are but to introduce myself I did live in Fillmore for 25 years. I came there just out of college. When I moved from Fillmore I lived in Ventura for another 30 years. I have been in North Carolina for the last 6 plus years but even though I was reared in another southern California town I have always considered Fillmore my hometown and have made it a practice to keep track of what goes on there especially through the many close friends I have had there. Many of them have died but there are still several there with whom I stay in close contact. When I lived in Fillmore I participated in many community activities, everything from the Junior Chamber of Commerce to the vestry of Trinity Episcopal Church, American Legion and other organizations. I served on the Memorial District Board for two terms and served another two terms on the City Council. Fillmore is a special place to me.

Bill wrote "I have always considered Fillmore my hometown...Fillmore is a special place for me" is quite a statement. Do we need to step back and understand what Bill just said? Can we all say the same?
I agree Fillmore is a special place indeed.

Steve Conaway

Correct, Steve. Seems people have these "special places" if they feel some personal attachment to it. Just as Bill Shaffer said, he has a remarkable tenure while in Fillmore and was instrumental to its operation during the time period he resided there.

Fillmore does hold speciality to some. I was not really there for as long as some people on this site, but at least I can say I lived there for a time and it was special in some ways to me, also. I enjoyed Fillmore. But, at the time I was there, I had obligations to the military into the next ten years and had to relocate. No time to be involved with anyone or anything. People make a place, also. People make a difference in the heartbeat and pulse of their towns they live in. Experiences set in. Memories of the past are bittersweet.

I am presently wintering in Arizona at Lake Havasu and hope to be in Fillmore sometime at the end of the month visiting friends. I am sure looking forward to it as I lost 3 close Fillmore friends in the last couple of months and I want to touch base with some of them before one or the other of us are no longer available. I feel I was blessed to have seen a couple of them last October when I was there.I decided along time ago that I wasn't going to just sit around waiting to die but rather go as long as I am able. I have been doing that since the late forties and will continue doing, I have been lucky to have travelled much of the world more than once. I have learned a lot by all of this. The most important thing I have learned is that people the world over have the same aspirations the same love of family, the same goals as all of us. I have been truly blessed. I had a great career, a wonderful family, great friends and colleagues and a rewarding life. I have no desire to promote my religion or political philosophy on any one. I wish the best for everyone regardless of there creed, ethnic group or color. I pray for "peace on earth and good will for mankind." I subscribe to the goals set forth in the preamble to the US constitution and wish those goals to be the same for the whole world. Now all of you know more about me than any of you wanted to know. Most of these thoughts and feelings were developed by the associations I had in Fillmore. I thank God for them and I will be always grateful. I promise this will be last attempt to pontificate but I just want my Fillmore friends to know how much I love them and relish their friendship.

Bill S. nice to hear about ya, hope no offence was taken by my post, just didn't want CPR to say things about you when it wasn't your writings. My family has lived in Fillmore from the days of dirt streets and horse drawn wagons. They all worked in the oil and citrus fields as most everybody did back then. Don't know if you knew who Dave Clapperton was, I am related to Fillmore that way. I also believe in our nations preamble, and believe in the right to protect the rights of others no matter of religon, color or ethnic back ground. Some times I get too excited by people who think they know whats best for Fillmore from afar. Its all to easy for some to post a judgement on something and then say "I can't help I don't live there", I was brought up in the belief that one does not cast the first stone when living in a glass house. I believe in this town and support this town as Fillmore is truely the last best little town, and I hope the word little will always be with Fillmore. That may sound stingy but look what has happened to all the other small towns that were around 20 years ago. I might not have a Doctorate or a big portfolio or lived the world over, I am living my life the way I want to in the best town around. Steve C. has lots of words of wisdom as he alway does as do others that run this town. A wise old man told me once, he who works will mess up, because if you don't mess up sometimes your not working. As I have said in past "Everyone needs to be pro-active in helping/guiding/supporting Fillmore in these troubled times". For all the ones who don't like the current City Council your time is coming, all the rantings ya'll have done, the opposit has happened, ya'll have turned people away from listening to your beliefs,I know I have. Thanks to the local paper I know which way I believe in, as the majority of the towns people do, look at last election.

Sheiky, No I didn't take offense and yes, I knew Dave Clapperton, not closely but I did know him. I have no quarrel with anyone as far as the city government goes. I do feel as if the new Council got off to a shaky start and have created situations that may take some time to sort out. I think your philosophy of life is a good one. I like the saying about working and messing up, it really makes a lot of sense. Thanks for being pro active, that's what Democracy is all about.

Shieky, what you are saying makes a lotta sense...and I gotta agree with ya, if you don't like how it's bein' done, get involved, do it yourself! I think ya gotta learn how it's being run, and if you want to take it another direction, learn how to build consensue and support, and take it thataway...it takes longer to do it, but when it's done, it's done for good...

I also agree with you about Fillmore staying a small town...from 1920 until now, Fillmore has grown at an average rate of two percent per year...and that's what the General Plan has us growing at until 2020. That's not runaway growth. Some years, or even some decades, there has been little or not growth, then some decades, there's more. But the average has remained the same.

I remember Dave Clapperton. I also remember what Fillmore was like in the '50's and '60's...wish it woulda stayed that way, but we move on... For the folks who cry about growth and about orange groves being replaced by houses, I generally ask them where they live...usually, anymore, it's in a place that I remember being being an orange grove not all that long ago. It's kinda fun when I point that out to them, and they realize the irony of what they are saying...

When you start pointing out things the way you're doin' now, sheiky, it's a lot easier for me to understand and agree with you... you're using those facts and data that I'm always cryin' about!!! Thanks for doin' so.

Well said Pancone.

It sure is nice to have everyone being civil. We seem to have found some common ground...We all love Fillmore! If we can just keep that in mind we can disagree without being disagreeable.
Dave Clapperton that is a name I haven't heard for a long time. He and his brother were quit a pair. I always enjoyed talking to them. Yes Fillmore has now (and in the past had) some wonderful citizens. It indeed what makes this a great town.

Johny Walker

Common ground and association of cause and backgrounds. Seems this is what is being said and intoned here; and it is not so bad if the prospectives are heading towards a common, civil goal. Fillmore is a small town (City) and the reflection of the commonalty of community is highly showing (and this is not demeaning at all to say this). This is what I'm seeing here in these posts. I have continually considered myself an "outsider" to Fillmore, as was explained a few times in this website, and to Martin through email when I initiated my first contact with the Gazette via email. But seems the American cultural psychology is one that I had come to realize many years ago is quite different from most viewpoints on many things (even the manner in which dialects are said in oratory or the printed word) in foreign countries. Bill mentioned he had traveled the world; at least this man has the experiences to draw upon, as some others can boast of, and for myself, I, too have traveled the world, but lived; resided in certain Asian, European and Atlantic and Pacific sectors of islands for years. Not a traveler - a resider. I will not get involved with any meaningless display of education levels attained or posting all the facts on my resume or people I knew/know, achievements or associations I belong to or even more about what I happen to do for work or investment successes, but sometimes people do become successful at certain points of life and know a lot about many things. Mine did not really come while on US soil, though, nor did my outlook on the US and its people or my cultivated mindset which took years to develop living (not traveling) outside the US. Things I say are really not conducive to US thought process or style in general, (as you have figured out already) as my mind is with an outside-looking-in aspect. My age is now 67. I resided in the US only 30 of those 67 years at various times; 34 years at overseas residences. I highly prefer living off US soil, but that does not diminish the pure fact that my ownership of US citizenship has dissolved to any degree. It has not dissolved one iota. My military experience only had me in uniform half of my 30+ year tenure; you figure this one out. If many peoples in foreign countries as well as the hundreds of thousands of American citizens residing in foreign countries see the same colors as I do, then there must be other viewpoints to consider.

When I spoke so loudly of the triumvirate with the Walker, Brooks and Washburn grouping, along with their constituents and their methods of operation, I meant every word; so did the Gazette writers and many of those who posted associating responses right along with me in the exact same tone. Seems so many now have tinges of losing their fire and self-speaking for so many (citizens) that have not voiced their personal opinions (or desire to), it makes me wonder if Fillmore's taxpaying and voting base really gives a flip about who runs the city or what happens to it; only the less than ten posters who seem to frequent this site...but the "hits" on the central database at the Gazette are many. Something interesting is happening in these comments to attract so many "hits"! People are interested. So many times this web has been in the doldrums, and when I comment, there is a flourish of attachments, just like this thread we are into now, with purpose of generating comments just like what is wrought herein. I think it is good to communicate, folks...it is good that you are posting these kinds of comments. It is a way of knowing each other better. But let me say one thing, I thought of sending Martin an email and telling him I planned to hold a personal moratorium and wait for the next generation of this website to come out, then I would decide if I would continue to post here. Let me add that I like to comment where comments are requested and that holds nearly all articles I feel I could warrant a comment on. Thus, your opinion of a know-it-all. So be it, folks. A few friends of mine...four near Fillmore (Ventura) and several more where I live in Asia who monitor this site daily, feel (some) the posters here are not totally relating to me. Maybe so...maybe not so. But if points-of-view from any one person are suppressed and forced down by others not understanding or taking umbrage with the poster himself/herself is unjustified. I continue to be here and abide with the Gazette's web rules.

I don't have any problem with ya, CPR...you might well be better informed than over 90% of the folks who live here right now...every now and then, when you might not realize the full impact of a subject, say...Carpenter/Carp, a coupla weeks ago, you seem to make the right moves to ease any discomfort among other bloggers... When I comment on something that you're interested in, it's really not a problem for me to try to see things from your point of view, since you're a pretty polite kinda guy, and it seems to me like you're tryin' to do the same in return.

So, uh, head on, dude!!

Pancone, you are a really sweet guy! did you know that? oh, stop blushing...And hey I like to learn, if Cpr has something interesting to say, I read, if it gets too long, I dont. No harm done I suppose? But like our Deacon said, keep it to 10 minutes, or ya lose the congregation...LOL I think it is time to lay down the harsh words and rhetoric, on
BOTH sides. If some on here choose to 'bait' others hows about we ignore?? CPR is really good at ignoring the bait some use on here to start a ruckus, you have to admit that. He often just answers to the objection, without the nastiness. We all could use a little of that.

You have got to be kidding me...

I do the same thang with most all bloggers I read, FN...if it's interesting and relevant to what I'm into I read it...if not, I don't... If it's about local stuff, I pay much more attention to it...if it's about county, state, or international stuff, or about theology, stuff like that, I don't care about it, since that's not why I read a local paper/web site!

And, 86, if you're not real careful, you're gonna get included in a group hug!!!

LOL Pancone, ignore the class clown, eh? he may just go away. Gee whiz, when we get mad at someone, they tell us not to judge. you try to be nice, decent and kind, they criticize. There just aint no pleasin some folk, Pancone.. Me, for one, am tired of all the negative. Dont plan on joining in any more conversations that do.

Yeh, FN, but why am I not surprised!!!!

Now dont tell anyone, but I'm thinking 86 has a crush on me! Pancone, you should have never shown him those cheerleading photos of me from the 60's. I've changed some, but only a little. LOL Hey 86, we buried the hatchet once before, why not do it again, only bury it deeper. We can all get our opinion out there, without the sniping. And we should do it before Martin has to put us in the corner for a time out. When he started publishing this paper, I bet he never dreamed he'd have to moonlight as a Kindergarten teacher.

So CPR doesn't even live in Fillmore? Why do people even listen to him? The regular "bloggers" on this site are very strange. I wished someone would have directed me to this prior to buying a house here. I think the only Normal one is Agent86, but I still need more time.

Thank you, Pancone (((1-16-10 @ 5:51PM))). Yes, I admit things if I'm wrong...at least I can do that. It is part of my makeup. Sometimes, though, I skip the intention of mentioning that; but not to say I purposefully dis-acknowledge I may be mistaken personally. It is an "Oops" on my part.

Thank you, too, FillmoreNative. One thing I did learn along the way and that is personal maturity, and in many ways, can be virtually seen and felt, even through words - which are all we have here. Being wrong so many times in my life, certainly made me a better person, I think; but we never stop learning. We have to find God first, then we can understand better all things.

"sespefalls"...please do not judge people so harshly! Fillmore, those bloggers in here, or me. Not fair to (yourself) those who want to throw the first stone, either; so be good to yourself. There are lots of folks who blog and monitor this and many websites the world over who do not live in the same city the website originates from. Sorry if you feel there are given local rights to blogging. Glad to see you are new in here (at least at this time I think you are 'new'). Enjoy your home and Fillmore, "sespefalls". It's a great place to live and raise a family!

CPR what in the world were you trying to say your 1/16 post. It reads like more of the same old, I WALK ON WATER and BEEN THERE DONE IT ALL and LOOK AT ME AM SO WORLDLY. Please stop bragging on yourself (I am starting to get ill)and try to write things on another suject matter other than yourself, we all have heard it several times before from your posts. 86 you got it right, lots of double talk from some, reminds me of, do as I say, not what I do. (try the X-mas posts lots of 180's there) If they would re-read some of their past post and then read some of their present post they might see what other people see. I too would like for everyone to get along, sure the Council got off to a rough start, theres a learning curve to everything. Its just that some people think they can do better, well let them try its open for everyone who lives here and wants to help promote this fine Town. We are now looking at lots of rain coming, hope all the people in the bridges homes got their boats ready, thats just my opion any takers??

Shieky, I agree with you regarding a learning curve for new council members...that's been true of every new member that's ever come along.... however, what's different here is that, in effect, the new members, when they were candidates, drew targets on the very people who could help them the most with that learning curve...they created unrest and distrust, and for what? When you do that in an atmosphere that is already uncertain, it can cause serious problems. Then, when they took office, they did nothing to ease that unrest and distrust, instead they turned up the heat!

Shieky, it ain't me who's saying that's so...it's the folks who left in their statements on the public record...so as a result, after all that institutional knowledge and experience left, the collective City Council has been chasing its collective tail ever since.

I agree with you also, that it's time for folks who don't care for that kind of MO to step up to the plate. The learning curve for new members is not a monumental thing when one sits back for a bit, gets a feel for the playing field, and opens one's ears and mind... then after you figure out what's goin' on, one learns to integrate into the team and build concensus... You don't throw away the textbook, so to speak, and alienate your teachers...and I gotta tellya, that's what happened here!

Unfortunately, however, the new members and one other so offended so many folks that forgiving and forgetting as a concept is simply too fresh for that to happen...and that's a normal human reaction! Remember Rodney King? "Can't we all just get along?" Well, sure, that's an easy statement to make one your own irresponsible and illegal actions started a series of events that reverberate today!!! However, getting hundreds or thousands of folks to buy into that, to forgive and forget, just ain't a happenin' thing!!!

Hope this gives you some food for thought, Sheiky...what you propose simply isn't as easy as you think it may be... There has been some REAL harm done, with no upside apparent, and the only way to get past that is time, which may or may include a changing of the guard down the road. We still haven't gotten our staff problems ironed out yet, although we have a good leader in place now...

You may not agree with me, Shieky, but I'll bet others who've been there, done that, got the T-shirt will...

Add 6 more paragraphs to the same'ol same'ol...

...and the hypocritical 'punch-line', Dave, is....?

Glad you asked...After rereading the majority of your 1876 posts as well as your 1000+ posts of your other identities, Oceans 11, Centurion, John King,(did I forget anyone?)...myself and others have come to the conclusion that you are nothing more than a hoax and a wordy irritant. You have been Dominating this site and stifling its growth with your apparent fun filled badgering. Give it up and chill out.

PS...I guess I'm the only one at the party that sees the lampshade on your head...so much for all the 'smart guys' payin attention.

Your Internet Protocol address shows you, David Roegner, also have aliases. At least I posted the reasons when I changed mine and alerted the Gazette to this reason and causes. You chill. Go find another petition to bide your time with or bone-up on your self-proclaimed accounting abilities.

CPR, How does ones internet protocol point to a certain person, as you state above. I mean living out of country and all, how do you do it, another mist calling. I am getting educated every day, keep up the hard work for us all.

Dave...dear Dave...enough already. I'm very tired of bantering back and forth in my defense every time there is an irritating and nonsensical question I have to feel justified to answer. It's my nature to always answer as many questions fielded to me as possible, and I think my time is up doing this.

The IP does NOT point to any singer PERSON...rather it points to a certain computer Internet line. By the way, 'sheiky' used the word "mist" in one of his latest comments on another thread, and you used the word "mist" above. Word is out of context. Do you and 'sheiky' have a problem spelling the same word?

It's okay, Dave...you need some education (per your own admittance above). Please listen to the voices out there, be a good citizen, obey the law and please try to understand there are two sides to a coin, per se.

Hey, smart guy, pay attention. It was 'sheiky' that asked you the question not me.

Ooooopppppsss....!!!!!!

Heh...heh...heh...! Persona.

I knew that, already, Dave. Have a great day. Stay dry.

Sure thing Martin..same to you ;)

David...you CAN be funny at times. Really!

What does it take CPR, I am not Dave, Daves not here, what don't you get. You may have gone by many names, but I have only had one, Sheiky!!! Maybe you need a rest from all of this, as your are losing it, and yes I spelled missed wrong, my bad! I hope the we all can agree on one thing, that we don't have to agree on anything. Its just that some people like to get personal when their veiws aren't considered the best and only one. Some people have to brag about themselves to insist that they are better imformed and worldly to justify their comments. Facts are great but have seen facts turned around to many times to reflect the opposit of the true meaning. This blog is like a good old boys club, if you don't join the few, then you don't know nothing. This is the main reason that people won't write in, they see how you are treated when you don't agree with the fab 4. Only one person can stop me and he hasn't yet.

I see the lampshade!

So,
Agent 86/Dave and CPR are going back and forth and CPR calls Dave, Dave. The Sheiky jumps in and says "What does it take CPR, I am not Dave, Daves not here, what don't you get. You may have gone by many names, but I have only had one, Sheiky!!!" So Agent 86/Dave is also Sheiky. It's all becoming clear to me now. This is the problem with Martin putting bloggers in time out. They just show up under another name to continue the rant. What really bothers me is that I liked Agent 86/Dave, but couldn't stand Sheiky. I'm so confused.
JB

In my opinion, Sheiky is not Agent 86...Don't be confused, JB... Let ME be confused!!!

Pancone,
I never thought they were either until he exposed himself in that post. Read it again. It appears he forgot he was using Sheiky and thought he was still signed in as Agent 86. I can't believe I find this worthy of discussion. I need a life. From now on I'll just think of Dave like the 3 faces of Eve---but I still like him.
JB

Oh come on! First Dave, and now you people think I'm 'sheiky'? There must be something in the water. Now i know why your Headquarters is called CHAOS!
Somebody needs to sit down in the 'cone of silence' BTW, I have spellcheck...(but never need it)

agent86 and Sheily are not the same. I know who agent86 is, i do not know sheiky tho. so what was the original topic anyways?

YIKES! my identity has been compromised? Hope i won't have to bite the cyanide capsule under my lapel. **looks to the left..then to the right..then dashes off**

Well 86, I guess that is how it feels to be accused of misleading identities, based on someone's misunderstanding. If you say you arent Sheiky-and you say you arent Dave, then I will take you at your word. That courtesy and respect should be extended to all on this blog.

Thank god we got that mess straightened out, I almost started to believe I was also Dave. See what happens when you have users with more than one name!! O Know is it going to start again, please to the bat cave!! And no Dave doesn't live there!

PS June bug you wernt even close, try again.

Sheiky,
I concede. I went back and looked at the posts and in my enthusiasm to undo your bun I goofed. I blame the layout of these posts. Just like Pancone thinking Bill was talking about him, I thought one thing referred to another. I'm turning in my detective badge and going back to the cheap seats.
JB

BUT
Agent86 is Dave, he confessed somewhere on here. But I like him. He brings just the right combination of vitriolic humor to this blog.
JB

I recall the same thang re: A-86, but honestly, I don't need to know his or anybody else's ID...in fact, I think we get a more honest point of view most of the time if we have secret identities! However, I do appreciate the courage of those who do choose to go by their own names...

As I see it we get alot of mean sprited comments as well.

Johny Walker

opps Spirited not "sprited"

Johny Walker

I agree Johnny Walker and Pancone-not important what the ID is, but more important what they have to say. And the mean spirited folks, I think are ruining this blog. Keep it simple and be decent, and this could be a great place to converse.

Yes, this blog is an important method of communication, however there seems to be more concern on WHO people are rather than any particular subject issue which can be found in virtually any one of the headers above under the "FORUMS" section.

However, to dispel any more confusion to Dave Roegner (and others) who are adamant on bringing up old expressions of user name-changes and the such; causing those who were not even into this site at the time these user names of mine were made, I will repeat the reasons again:

For one, when I made my first contact with the Gazette, it was with an e-mail direct to the owner. All other additional inquiries and comments - to INCLUDE user-name changes - were also made directly to Martin through e-mail at the time or before the changes were made. Scott also was aware of this. The important thing to realize is that every time I changed my user name, it was for a definite purpose. At one time, I think I had 5 user names going in five different directions, which got entangled somehow into each other.

The primary purpose of the user name changes were totally that of technical problems with my computer system and the Internet connections at the time, and several entries and downloads I personally made, which created confusion; and also within the software, to discombobulate the systems.

I bought a completely brand-new computer system with specialized, expanded equipment in Manila a few months ago, thus the start of Cre8PalmRoyal and the elimination of the older system, (which went into operation as a backup system) which, apparently, even an expanded memory and Samsung 500GB 3.5" hard disk drive could not manage to correct.

The newer system has a bodacious memory bank and a 500GB disk plus other equipment I would not rather discuss.

I hope this (for the second or third time) satisfies those people unknowing of those reasons my handle has changed in the past.

Now, just to say, I'm anticipating the new-age updated web site coming to this line in a month or so. Personally, I like the use of "user names", however could well-accept the mandatory use of our real names, as well.

Once again CPR, bla bla bla bla bla. I want to know, is there one thing you dobn't brag about or don't know about or better yet wont respond about? I all ears.

OK it " I am all ears"

WOW!! CPR, Very impressive.(NOT) First let me preface this post with admitting that you seem to be the most knowledgeable character on this site. However, I think in your state of confusion you seem to think that the Gazette's web server is located in 'your' computer (all of them). In simple terms, I believe the site is in outer space somewhere and you sign in to it, kinda like email..but hey, maybe I'm wrong because you also claim to know peoples user names from their Internet Protocol Addresses. Please feel free to correct me (under 5 paragraphs preferably)

ver⋅bos⋅i⋅ty  [ver-bos-i-tee]
Use verbosity in a Sentence
–noun
the state or quality of being verbose; superfluity of words; wordiness: His speeches were always marred by verbosity.
Origin:
1535–45; < LL verbōsitās. See verbose, -ity

Synonyms:
prolixity, redundancy, turgidity
windiness
redundancy
verboseness
verbiage
wordage
loquacity
diffusion

Antonyms:
terseness, pithiness.
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ver·bose   (vər-bōs')   
adj.  Using or containing a great and usually an excessive number of words; wordy. See Synonyms at wordy.

[Middle English *verbous, from Latin verbōsus, from verbum, word; see verb.]
ver·bose'ly adv., ver·bose'ness, ver·bos'i·ty (-bŏs'ĭ-tē) n.
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Braggart/n & adj
n. a person given to bragging,
adj. boastful
n. boaster, bragger, peacock,
colloq. show-off, bigmouth, loudmouth, blowhard,
sl. flannelmouth
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Peacock???
wooooo hooooo

Well Coucilman Bill and Sheiky those comments were a sockdolager.

Johny Walker

Eh?

oh come on pancone look it up. I was being sarc. But a great old word

Johny Walker

Guess there is no news lately in Fillmore. Some in here are either drinking too much, smoking something funny or their meds have run out.

No, Agent86 ((per paragraph five)). Just explaining the final results of all the previous computer hardware and software problems I experienced before, and the need...not want...of having a new computer system. I completely degouched the old system hard drive and took it to a computer shop for installation of a new program. Insofar as the new equipment in the new computer I bought goes, you can purchase equipment in Asia (Japan, China, Hong Kong, Philippines and Australia) which are not allowed in the US.

Johny Walker,
What a great word. I had never heard it before but did look it up. Thanks for adding a new word to my vocabulary. This blog can be a real learning tool for those of us who know we don't know all there is to know.

Hmmmm, JW...one of those insegrevious words, eh? OK...I'll look it up...

I'll be dipped...it IS a word!

Thanks Coucilman Bill, I just learned this word a few weeks ago and have been looking to use it. I was being sacastic...that's my nature...hope you did not take offense. There is a council meeting tonight don't you just miss all that fun? But wait if I remember right it was fun back then.

Johny Walker

Just as an aside: Sockdologising was nearly the last word President Abraham Lincoln heard. During the performance of Tom Taylor's "Our American Cousin," assassin John Wilkes Booth (who knew the play well) waited for the line "Well, I guess I know enough to turn you inside out, you sockdologising old man-trap," and as the audience laughed, Booth fired the fatal shot.
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas Harper

I read this story called "NOT YOURS TO GIVE" Davey Crocket was quoted useing the word "stokdolager". It can be spelled stockloger also. Here is a link to the story. It is worth your time to read it...all of you.

http://www.fee.org/pdf/books/Not%20Yours%20to%20Give.pdf

Johny Walker

OPPS NOT "stockloger" stockdologer sorry I was typing to fast and didn't preview

Johny Walker

JW, Just read post, thats a great one!!! I will try not to be flimsy or I will get alot of flighty replys from a lusus person afar. Just a little jocularity. woooo hoooo

My son was in our house library on the computer researching and communicating in the GDLC and GDLN website this morning before school. He told me an email came in from XXX in Ventura which simply said, "Those nimbo's are at it again."

Guess so. What's interesting is that I would simply say that it would shocking if Bill, Agent86, and sheiky could manage to report on world and national issues for a change and begin a realistic, mature conversation in this web. As I stated this week, The Gazette has many articles under the subsections in the Forums section that are very interesting and could be reported into. What really are your honest feelings about world and national affairs...or do you have any? All that are printed here are just stupid criticisms with a lot of blarney. I may have evidence this is an ALLEGED undermining effort by Brian Sipes, Yosemite Sam Creagle, and the WWWB dancing troupe, or the three aforementioned singularly or grouped; it would not surprise me. Some people cannot think or act for themselves, obviously.

When this site was dumbed-down, and you be the judge of when that happened ten years ago approximately and still going, there are always those who want exclusivity unto themselves in here. They magnet their own, like birds of a feather and still criticize those who are also agreeing on the facts presented in here; as their opposition. The very first comment which I received was from Agent86 who began his ridiculous commenting about me barbecuing yak meat. The messaging was acknowledged and was not well-accepted. '86 maintained this repertoire, and has now added two more to his triumvirate. However, for myself, who spent 32 years in the service of the United States as an officer in three military branches of service, and holding 34 awards and decorations, educational background and world cultural experiences, do have the rights to draw upon in many ways and means, the comments as printed by myself here. When my comments bombarded the few on the council, it was backed-up with presentation of evidence I knew which would solidify the statement.

Fillmore, back circa 1985, had a majority population under 30 years old - and still does. The majority have high school diplomas, equivalencies, or less than high school. The population in 1985 was about 15,500, I think, and now it represents nearly the same. Property crime was high in 1985...about 2500 crimes. High. What is also high is the COL of Fillmore; as the US average equates to 100, Fillmore's is 127.0. So, those statistics, to me, are not so admirable for a progressive city being held back by some managing the city. Maybe things will come to a dramatic halt and changeover next election season. Now why do I say circa 1985...figure this one out for yourselves. The message is within a comment not made by myself this week.

I'm not responding to any more stupidness in here by those who are tearing apart not my comments, but the fact that I comment alone. If your minds cannot focus on more prime news subjects or when you are following-up my comments, cannot you guys be a lot more reasonable and blog on the subject at hand? Your emotional control, disposition and personalities are a little disordered, it seems, and I think you can become more civil.

Hate to correct you again CPR but... That was when I flew my brand new loaded Gulfstream 5 (G5) to Burma on one of my many top secret missions. If you recall...While in Burma I dined on the most delicious Barbecue Bengal Chops with Bamboo shoots and rice mmmmm...Then it was the next day when I informed you that I must keep moving through the jungle because the Military Junta was zeroing in on my position and they could smell BBQ Yak ribs a mile away. Never once did i tell you that you ate yummy Yak ribs.
Yes CPR those were the fun times here, I miss the lighthearted humor (and yours). Too bad you insisted on dividing this town with your mean spirited manifestos of bitter hatred toward people you don't know or never met(starting one day after OUR election). Seems to me you love to dish it out...but can't take it. Aren't you glad I don't put my nose in your Village's Tribal Affairs? But...FYI, we have Agents on a detail in your area.

Agent86,
How did you get the shoe phone on board?
JB

CPR, I am 35 years and still serving proudly, still an asset. You are not even close when you say I am involved in trying to undermine something, if so what is it, I would like to know. As for world affairs I read about them in the news paper and TV, I think those veiws are more in tune in whats happening than yours. Heres a novel idea try writing and talking to people who you live around, or have they figured you out aleady. This site seems to me to keep to local veiws mainly around Fillmore, though some others pop up. You always talk in the past, I think I was beat up for enjoying the past at one point of time on this blog, lets get to the present, speak when you have a first hand knowalge of something and not only from the veiws others have told you via long distance. I don't tell ya whats good for your area that you live in because I am not there to pass judgement. What gives you the right to tell me how to live and what is right where I live, when your thousands of miles away with second hand information. woooo hoooo

JB,
Thanks for asking. It's my personal private jet, I can board with anything or anyone I wish (wanna go for a ride?) I purchased the aircraft last year. I settled for the Gulfstream 5 (us cool people in the know call it a G5). I just can't resist a good deal. The deal was if I paid cash for the G5 at the time of delivery...they would throw in a cool boomerang. I was elated to receive the 'rang'. A man of my caliber found it much easier and dignified to obtain a cool boomerang this way as opposed to groveling and begging and typing away like a crazy monkey for one. Heck, I'm not even at 500 points yet!

Agent86. What made you decide on the G5 vs. the King Air model 90? Being that you travel to some remote areas on your top secret missions would'nt the King Air make more sense? A twin prop would be much better suited taking off in the dense forest's and jungles on less than perfect air strips because it does not require all the space. The model 90 also has a tremendous payload to carry all of your many electronics, women, weapons and yummy bush meat. In my oppinion the G5 would not hold up well in these conditions. Just keep this in mind before you replace your current G5. Do you have a stripper pole in your G5? I have one in my model 90, what a great way to pass the time.
P.S. How do you prepare your Bangal Chops? I will send you my recipe for my famous "Sespe Condor Stew". It's delicious.

A86,
That makes sense. Airport security is ridiculous anymore. Just last week I was dragging my Henk through Tet Mellil Airport when security mistook me for Princess Stephanie. They wanted to make sure she wasn't trying to skip the country with the family jewels, something her brother Prince Albert has never had. Anyway, I didn't mind being detained since the VIP lounge has peanutbutter pretzels and Spluch Tequila. I use to drink Diva Vodka, but that's so last season. Have you seen Princess Stephanie lately? I miss really be ugly.
JB

must!