Some facts about rent control. Rent control does not apply if a lease is in place. I believe that there are only 27, or so, people in El Dorado that are not protected by a signed lease. The other 270, or so, mobile home owners have signed long term leases.
Even under rent control rent does and will go up according to inflation. If a measure is poorly written (sound familiar?) which limits property owner rights and it is inacted by the city, the city can be taken to court.
Rents in the park vary greatly from the low $400.00 per month up to probably mid $750.00 month. One person said that their neighbors rent was increasing $200.00 month WHEN THEY SELL THEIR Mobilehome. That means the new buyer will have full disclosure of rent and lease offering before they buy the mobile home. Once again it's important to understand what is being said and not what people say.
Rents can not be lowered or reduced just because rent control is passed. So if an individual is paying $600.00 month now their rent will not roll back to 1985 levels. I believe that some think this is possible.
One thing is for sure if enough people sign a petition the hands of decision makers are tied and they are required to act. However we've seen in recent history how some people can ask the public to sign a petition and then fail to honor the signers will when the time comes.

Steve Conaway
writing as a private citizen.

Well, Steve, since I filed with the city to circulate this Initiative on March 2, aren't you treading on thin ice with the Brown Act by writing or talking about this issue?

fraubro, the Brown Act is to prevent secret meetings. No more than two council members can meet without posting agendas and such. It does not limit free speech of a council member. If your take on the issue is different than Mr. Conaway's, please add to the discussion in a non-threatening manner.

Personally, I would favor rent conrol in prncipal, the version Mr. Conaway described would be useless for those folks needing to sell their dwellings if prospective buyers cannot afford the rent. It appears that it could still be raised substantially when ownership is transferred. I know of one person who had to sell a deceased relative's coach at a huge loss because the space rent was so high. The seller found later that he had done well and folks selling later garnered even less.

What are other cities doing in their ordinances? Most of them appear to be successful in keeping rents manageable while ensuring appropriate profits for the owners. There has been no drop in value to the parks that I've read about.

I have some knowledge about these Acts, even some books on the subject concerning rent control back in the house in Tumauini, but here is a suggestion: Try to get into the website www.ci.banning.ca.us/archives/48/City of Banning Report 042707.pdf. See what their stats and rules are first before we all get off on another triad. Thanks Steve and Bandmom for your comments; they seem to be going in the right direction, and OB for the blog!

JK

"Rent control" is only one part of the equation. As we saw last time, Star Management will not quietly into that good night. But with the transition to a family park may come a playground area and modifications in pool safety, none of it cheap. So when the park pitbull comes at you this time, be ready with the list of conversion requirements and costs. That may take a little of the threat out of their sails. But also remember that Cirillo offered residents lower annual rent increases and extensions on past leases. And here is something to think about --- "Park owners call the condo-conversion process a win-win scheme that allows them to cash in on their real estate holdings and gives residents an affordable entryway into homeownership.
Critics call it a cynical ploy that allows park owners to circumvent local rent control laws.
They say park owners are exploiting what they consider to be a loophole in state law that exempts an entire park from the rent controls imposed by 102 California cities and counties after a single lot is sold to a resident. That provision, they say, puts undue pressure on the mostly senior citizens who live in mobile homes because they must either buy their lot or risk seeing their rents rise to a level that they can't afford.
"It really is a rip-off of park residents, and the park owners know it," said Ventura County Supervisor Steve Bennett of Ventura, who is among the leaders of a statewide group of local government officials lobbying for a change in state law.
Bennett is supporting two bills proposed in the Legislature that would give local governments the ability to approve and place conditions upon any proposal to subdivide a mobile home park in their jurisdiction. That would include the ability to retain rent control for those residents who choose not to buy.
One of those measures, SB 900 by Sen. Ellen Corbett, D-San Leandro, was approved by the Senate Transportation and Housing Committee on Tuesday. An identical bill, AB 1542, is scheduled to be heard today in the Assembly Housing and Community Development Committee.
Bennett, testifying at a hearing held by the state Senate Select Committee on Mobile Homes earlier this year, said the current law gives park owners unfair leverage.
"Imagine if I'm negotiating with you and I say, 'You can buy at my price or watch your rents go up,'" he said. "How different would that be if I said, 'You can buy at my price or you can continue to rent under your local rent control law'? That would be a much more fair negotiation."
Park owners say Bennett and other critics are being alarmist.
"This is a success story, not a problem," testified Robert Coldron, an attorney for the California Mobilehome Parkowners Alliance. "This is about options about providing residents with the opportunity to participate in home ownership."
There's more - http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2007/apr/11/letting-owners-buy-the...

What the vulnerable residents of El Dorado don't need are scare tactics from either side. And I wonder at this point if rent control is as much the issue as is winning.

JB

That is a good report, June Bug. Much interesting facts there. I never had resided in Mobil Home Parks, let alone a Mobil Home, but if I had that opportunity, I guess my income would, in most probability, reflect on my need to do so. So that brings me to the next point...I would hate to be living on a current budget per a given, set income, in the most-affordable location and housing unit I could afford, only to be forced to pay instant higher costs for having that Mobil Home unit setting on a slab, hooked to sewer and water facilities. Maybe there is more to this; and there is; but Federal and State laws possibly dictate the final say in the matter, anyway. Even those folks who are living on Social Security checks will be duly affected and will and must trim-off something in their lives that could well be necessity, in order to pay the price! Those yearly COL (cost-of-living) increases by far, never catch up to the demands of peripheral add-on expenses! I think most Mobil Home Parks, (most, I say) only cater to the "retirement or over-50 group". I could be wrong on that, but I have seen other non-controlled MH Parks a true Mesopotamia! Crime, kids running all over the place, w-h-a-t-e-v-e-r! Not in ALL cases, however...but those families residing in this type of MH park, generally have and hold employment. I guess I will have to sit back and stand-by and watch this scenario unfold. I cannot make comments on this matter because I simply do not know what I'm talking about concerning this issue of rent control and home ownership and more. Best of luck with it, anyway!

JK

David Roegner, June Bug is correct. The Brown Act has to do with improper communication between multiple council members. The Brown Act has nothing to do with my general comments on rent control. As you know rent control has not come before the city council in 2009. I simply stated fact. Do you disagree with any of the points I presented? If you took offense to my comments I can only say that no offense was intended, nor should any be inferred.

Steve Conaway

Fraubro, wouldn't it be nice if you and others of your acquaintance would take the time to research the law before you started quoting it? If you did, you wouldn't look quite so foolish. Bandmom seems to have done the work you shoulda done before you spouted off. But, hey, if you wanna damage yer own credibility, I reckon that's okay.

And are you going to research your proposed initiative a bit better than was Propositions 'H' and 'I'? Are you gonna analyze it properly to be able to see if it's gonna cost the taxpayers of Fillmore hundreds of thousands of dollars? I would think that you and yer pals woulda learned yer lesson about this sort of thing by now, but maybe not...maybe your real agenda is to bankrupt this City...

Those were my thots reading all of this, 'vulnerable'. I used to work out at El Dorado and they are some or our most vulnerable citizens. I pray that those who are trying to make changes in the rent control have the folks out there's best interests at heart! And the decisions that are made, benefit the most people. My heart goes out to them, most on a fixed income, and those needing help with their day to day living. I think Pancone hit the nail on the head, maybe this is more about 'winning', and less about the common good. Thanks June Bug and Bandmom for the research and info. Better luck next time Fraubro in furthering your cause!

FN...I think (fraubro) David Roegner lives in El Dorado. I could be mistaken about that. He has reason to be concerned. I would as well!
JK

JK...again, you get the woogie button...Roegner lives in El Dorado... If the proponent(s?) of rent control had a better track record and could research and analyze the issues in a clear and reasonable fashion, one might be willing to listen a bit better...However, certain parties have become infected with 'Initiative Fever'...my suggestion would be to see how the obviously defective, and poorly thought out Prop. I works out, how it's going to be absorbed into the General Plan, and what it's all gonna cost us before we go trottin' down the bunny trail toward another disastrous initiative or proposition.

Let's deal with the disaster we've already got by the tail before we let the tiger sprout another tail, eh?

Bandmom's suggestion to check out other City ordinances is a great idea, and I agree with June bug on the scare tactics being used--that is deplorable-- and how vulnerable El Dorado residents are. I'm glad someone like Steve can sort it out, seems like they have a good guy on their side. But I have to tell you, I read what Steve wrote, 3 times, and I sure feel for those at El Dorado, trying to sort out what would be best. Best to wait like Pancone said, till the dust settles and they see where they are. I sure hope the outcome will work for the majority of those out at El Dorado, and not just for a minority with ulterior or poorly thot out motives.

Well, personally, reading this Prop "H" and "I", my vote would be cast with a resounding (((no))). But, you folks must make up your own minds to this, and seeing y'all are right there in Fillmore on the firing line, you get a heck of a lot more input than I have on the matter. In my post of 3/29 @ 4:31pm, above, I mentioned this is one issue I cannot make any intelligent comments on as I have absolutely no details or references to draw from concerning El Dorado residents. This is one reason why; when David made his "Brown Act" comment, above, he simply did not have his facts prior to blogging. If Fillmore did not have such a stable cornerstone as Steve, I might venture to say this whole Council and political situation in town could become much worse, notwithstanding the efforts of Mr. Bartels and the Consultant, and others. Fillmore needs you, Steve...hang in there! Thanks, Pancone for your contribution to me above...it is well-taken and appreciated; let's hope some in town understand what you meant. ~ JK

Many good points by all, but I’m wondering what the good folks, and not the screaming heads, of El Dorado think? Wasn’t there some encouragement from the City Council when this issue first came up a few years ago to have park residents vote on the idea? Where did that go? How do we know the majority of park residents want this? Why should a business relationship between landlord and tenant become a city issue? Where could that go?

Lacking park support, these agitators are now asking non-park residents to support their agenda. How could anyone not a park resident know the facts and make an informed decision that affects both the residents of El Dorado and Fillmore too? And with the distain for eminent domain these proponents seem to embrace, how is rent control that different? Still a taking isn’t it? Say, aren’t these the same folks that brought us Measure I?

As a result of the first effort by said screaming heads, the owners threatened condo conversion if rent control was pursued. Wow, look’t where we are now… Who would win there? The most vulnerable park tenants or the screaming heads with new leases? - Pay attention to this angle please.

As with Measure I, this issue will bring a whole host of issues that will cost the taxpayer. Who will monitor rent controls? Who pays the costs? Who will litigate disputes? Will the City General Plan need to be revised again (remember the $300,000 down payment on Measure I?) and at what costs?

I’m convinced that anyone with a table, poster board, and a pitch of doom, gloom, crime or traffic can get enough signatures in front of Von’s to get anything on the ballot. How about an imitative to convert vacant City Hall office space to shelters for abandoned puppies? Resignations please.

Oogie

Good thots all, folks...bottom line is, again, let's let the stuff that IS on the table shake out...when it's all done, then let's move to something else...

Here's something folks almost never think about...Council members included, and especially, actually...when you lay more work out there, somebody has to do the scut work...and that's staff...when you have a skeleton crew on board. as we do now, and as more resignations occur (and they will, trust me on this one) we have less and less staff to do that. Our current Council, with the exception of two of them, are NOT astute enough to understand this... If ya don't have staff, ya gotsta hire consultants, and get this...they CHARGE MONEY for their work!!!

So, how about it Dave? How about let's get the Propostion stuff outta the way before we move onto something else...I'm with the rest of the folks...I've been stung by Props 'H' & 'I', and I'm not gonna be nearly so trusting next time I go to the polls when some hare-brained idea is trotted out for me to vote on...I've learned my lesson... These clowns who thought up these Props either didn't think 'em out too good, OR maybe they did, but didn't clue the rest of us in!!! Not to mention that any propositon involving El Dorado is gonna involve a very, VERY small minority of our citizens, and these days, do I honestly care all that much? Sure, in ten years' time I might care a lot, but right now, when tomorrow I might not even have a job, do I give a rip about this issue? Prolly not...

Roengtner, you and yours have stung us once... I don't think yer gonna be so successful the second time you go to the well....

Oogie-Boogie, I promised to keep my comments "light and easy" on this issue. My long-long-time close friend, who wishes to remain anonymous back in Fillmore, told me once that Ed Dorado residents were going to have a referendum vote on some issue that concerned them. Possibly this was just it. Now that the Prop has been set on the agenda, this has to run to term. There appears another burr under the saddle at almost every turn it seems, and the horse is twitching like heck; just like Pancone keeps saying over and over and over again (he is most likely so tired of this issue already he is ready to jump off the pier in Oxnard...and keep on swimming 'till he gets to Hawaii!) I feel this is just another one of the rebellion-supported efforts designed throw more monkey-wrenches into the once, well-oiled and efficient gears of Fillmore public politics.

Now, be careful! I understand on CNN this morning (Situation Room) Wolf Blitzer had a news item about some new virus that will affect millions of computers around the world on 01 April, especially targeted at the US. I may not make comments until tomorrow...the 2nd, my time, just to be safe! Microsoft, they say, is putting up $250,000.00 to catch the perpetrator! It must be serious.

JK

The group trying to get rent control do not speak for the park.
Look at other parks where they have rent control and the homes sell for an average of $300,000. Well above the $35,000 average in El Dorado at this time. Where's the savings with rent control? Higher purchase price, higher taxes, higher morgage payment. Who wins?

MS

It isn't about the "benefits" of rent control anymore for the few leading the charge (again). It's about being control freaks after losing the last battle. The defeat is killing them.

JB

I wish this guy would shut his mouth or move from Fillmore if he's not happy here. He's always starting crap to make it harder on others who have been here twice as long as him. My rent would go up alot if this rent control goes through, so would about 80 others. The results would hurt El Dorodo way more than any gains. So get over it and get on to new business. I have to agree with June Bug's last comment. There's alot better ways to be heard.

How we look to the outside

http://www.sanfernandosun.com/sanfernsun/index.php?option=com_content&ta...

From the San Fernando Valley Sun
"One observer whispered to another to ask if newly hired Parks and Recs Director Tom Ristau now realizes he may have come from one crazy town to another. And so the city turns ..."

One crazy town...

JB

Gregrie, you make a good point...were it me, I'd be REAL REAL leery of any initiatives, propositions, or just about anything trotted out by the folks who believe in planning by the ballot box...It's becoming abundantly clear that Props H & I were poorly thought out, poorly written, and you can yer shorts that the folks whos grand ideas those thangs were are gonna go 'Who, me?' when accountin' time comes...Same thing with this El Dorado thingy...We've seen the hot-head methods employed by the proponents of the initiative...I say we have enough on our table right now...

JB, interesting article!!! The nice thing about SF for Tom is that he's a lot more insulated from the craziness...and he is doin' the job he's always wanted to do, anyway!!!

Msteel, the trouble with what's goin' on now is that the El Dorado cabal is reaching out to the outside of the park, drumming up support from folks who won't be directly affected by it...it's a 'feel good' thing for a lotta them, or, maybe it's a matter of, 'if I sign this thing, maybe this guy won't get in my face when I walk outta Von's'...sad, but true, I think...

JT, yeah, for a lotta years things have been well-oiled in Fillmore... tons of positive things have occurred over the last 25 years, but you really had to be there all that time, AND paying attention, to get the full impact of where we are now versus where we started from...we are in free fall to return to where we started from... funny thing is, ya pass the same folks goin' down as ya did goin' up...so a wise feller said once! Gotta admit yer right...I'm really tired of what's goin' on now, but as long as Steve Conaway's got the guts to hang with it, as long as guys like Tom Fennell is willing to participate in the process, all is not lost...I wish I was in the position to participate at their level, but those are the REAL leaders...among a bunch others who put themselves in harm's way...

Do you remember in the 80's when they tried to pass the "English Only" initiative?? and all the commotion that caused?? I thot THAT was bad, now look at where the city of Fillmore is. My heart goes out to Steve Conaway, and what must be a very stressful situation sitting up there with those characters. Hang in there Steve! This too shall pass...

FN, we've worked our way back from that debacle over the last 20 some years...only to come to this...but, as usual, you are correct...this too shall pass...it might take two years, it might take four years, but Fillmore folks will pay attention, I hope, and not let this happen again. It takes a lotta courage to remain in the line of fire like Steve does... I hope folks can appreciate that...

In the 80's I was told by the Mayor's wife (after the English only mess) that an airline pilot flying over Fillmore, announced our town and said "Now, there's a town you dont want to go to" now, not sure if this ever happened, but sure left me feeling sad. Steve you are in our prayers! And Pancone, find the time to run for office! I'd be curious to see if next election, the mess at city hall draws out folks who would not have other wise run for office. That may be good news, and then again....I'll be your campaign manager Mr. P!

Well, FN, I'd like to see some folks get involved who we all know have the ability and care enough for our town run for office...There's a bunch of 'em out there, I think...How about you, and I be YOUR campaign manager!

Not sure that would work, I'd probably kill someone at the round table..and besides, YOUR the brains of this outfit, the 'idea man' sure you wont reconsider?? Perhaps Martin would run? And June Bug? Ok, let's see, Pancone, Martin, June Bug and Pebbles?? Does that work for you?

FN

Positively frightening!

JB

FN, you say that round table tactic like it was a bad thang!!!

June Bug, Pebbles is crushed!
Pancone...LOL

Seniors beware!!! A second Petition is being circulated at Super A and Vons.
I was approached by a stranger who is obtaining signatures for Rent Control at El Dorado. As this stranger who does not live here in Fillmore explains. He said Dave Roegner's Petition is going to be revoked by the courts and that my signature will guarantee that it will be successful. In questioning me signing a similar petition than what I signed a few weeks a go. This stranger tells me that this petition was not circulated by Mr. Roegner but by "Roger Campbell". Further inquiring I find out Roger Campbell has been hired by the Management of El Dorado and that, this particular Petition is against the original Petition Mr. Roegner circulated.
How low and disgusting has Roger Campbell become? How desperate is he to make a dime?
These people instructed by Roger Campbell are lieing to those whom are signing, Seniors who live on a fixed income. Down right lieing!!
Seniors beware, in signing this second Petition, your signing against your original signature.
Roger Campbell has stooped to the lowest of lows!!!!!!!!

May 23, 2009 5:1

Seniors beware alright!!! The person behind screen name "LOL" has been proven in these forums to be a liar. "LOL" also has some kind of axe to grind with Mr. Campbell. Don't believe anything from this nameless coward.

He Said - He Said

LOL your posting is confusing, clarify.

Condor you too are nameless.

Mr. Campbell is simply hired to do a job. Disagreeing with the job does not make him low, disgusting and desperate. I would reserve that description for someone who would, oh say, steal Proposition 8 signs.

JB

True, I am nameless; but not the one making accusations and not the one known to be a liar.

I would sure like to hear Roger's side, before I came to any conclusions. How do you know the person who asked you to sign, was instructed by Roger to say everything he said? People can go off on their own, no matter what the instructions they were given, if they feel passionate enough about something, they may feel justified.
Oh, and it's LYING---not lieing, I know because spell check tells me that every time. The English Language..go figure..

First and foremost!!!
Our Seniors are being lied to and scared to sign a petition that they feel will protect their homes. Besides the stranger telling them that the petition is for Rent Control. My wife informed that the woman at Super A is telling the seniors her petition is to keep El Dorado a mobile home park.
These people are not being honest to our Seniors.
Attack me all you want, which is pathetic. When all I am trying to do is protect vulnerable citizens in our town of Fillmore.

As for Mr. Campbell, all 3 of those sign gathers admitted that, they were informed to say those statements and all are hired by Campbell.

June Bug, looks as though your stuck on the paste selection. Attacking my grammar is not the subject matter. Obviously, you don't want to hear anything. You just like to insult people.
"He Said - He Said" I used that phrase "ONCE". I repeated the phrase "the Stranger" I knew I would be attacked by friends of Campbell.

Condor! My honesty doesn't matter to you. You get charged at just insulting anyone that doesn't fit your agenda or cramps your style. You have proven yourself a "LIAR!" Why do you think I stopped posting for the last few months. Because of close minded people like you.
Attack the messenger, but your the fool.

Fillmore Native, My spelling is not the issue. Everyone makes mistakes, get off your "throne".
As I wrote above. The information I wrote was me inquiring further and questioning. If your read carefully I was writing about my conversation with that stranger. OK I am not correct with my spelling. Spell check is not always right. To can also be two. When I saw lying, I thought, hmm I am not going to lay down. But hurried to post my post.
I am certain your not perfect either. You use to many commas unnecessarily and check your grammar.
Go figure, practice what you preach!

You don't believe me, go to Vons & Super A, inquire.
I am not the only Fillmore resident who is upset with what is going on at Vons and Super A. I have heard from over a dozen friends.

In closing, lets see. Attack me the messenger?
Are you all that bored?
Close minded?
and have no feelings towards Our Seniors?

Or how about getting the word out and protect the most vulnerable group "Our Seniors"!
My opinion, Mr. Campbell is pathetic to be doing this to our Seniors.
We need to protect our Mothers, Fathers, Aunts and Uncles who live on a fixed income.

LOL--if you read my post, I said I make the same mistake with grammar--if you'd tone it down some and come across more civil, I think maybe people could hear what you have to say, and who says I use too many commas?? I think it's called a run on sentence thank you Mr. Graham for teaching me to spot one.

F...N....
No where did you admit to mistakes in grammar
Re read your post.

Stop attacking the messenger.

There are more important things going on, like helping our Seniors.
Get over it

Fillmore Native,
LOL is not worthy of your time. I wish the Gazette would ban this person.

Condor isn't worthy of my time!
Closed minded and has no feelings towards our Seniors. Sounds like Campbell.

The more I read some of these comments the more I realize what a waste of my precious time. No wonder why I stopped blogging here.
When someone as myself reaches out to protect the most vulnerable in our Society the Seniors as well as children. I get attacked by the lowest of low, uneducated, illiterate, selfish people who do not know how to conduct them selves in Society. Yet hide behind their computers and throw out degrading name calling without the common decency to look into the matter. Especially this being a blog from the local paper.
Hard to believe Martin you allow some of these people to participate.

Condor I don't know you and I am so glad I don't. Birds of a feather flock together and I am so proud to say I have am more important than you. At least I use common sense and I care about my fellow human beings. Unlike you whom only cares about yourself.
Let someone swindle you, then don't cry to anyone. You deserve it.

...and with LOL's last comment, I rest my case.

The only case you had was stealing Prop 8 signs

How about obtaining the initiatives themselves and doing a comparision based upon fact? Stop the shadow boxing and infighting, it doesn't help the process. Recall Measure H & I? Once again voters have the opportunity to inform themselves, understand the consequences of each measure and act if you so choose. Don't get caught off guard when the bill comes due.

Steve Conaway

So Conaway, you got back in rah rah and now you are showing your true Colors again. Again you don't care about our Seniors you proved yourself the first time our Seniors approached the City Council. I do believe a recall on you is in order. I am certain the Seniors all will support it to. One thing for sure H & I signatures were obtained legitimately and not with deception. No complaint was filed with the City Clerks Office or otherwise. I know for certain a complaint on this item will be filed and there are numerous witness to the fact. I am certain the City Clerk and County Clerk will be notified legitimately. Unlike the gossip of fraud with H & I, the fraud is actually happening. If these people were obtaining signatures telling truthfully why, there would not be an issue. Get your facts straight, get out of the sand. Your suppose to be a steward for your City. Not for Rodger Campbell.
It is so hard to believe you are a Council person and remark so carelessly at how the Seniors are being treated and what is taking place. With your unacceptable conduct towards the Seniors, I am not surprised at your remarks. I am supporting censuring you as well.

LOL

I did not "attack" you. I wrote your post was confusing and requested that you clarify it. For example, "stuck on the paste selection". What the heck does that mean? Slow down and take a deep breath. No one here means to offend you. You've had a tough year.

FN

You are always a lady and I appreciate that.

Steve

Thank you for taking the flak and still representing the sound citizen.

JB

LOL...for once I'm agreeing with you...yep, Steve's showing his true colors...he's telling you and others to support your position with FACTS, not supposition, and that's how he's been conducting his business... It's just amazing to me that you can possible attack someone who's simply asking us to be rational and reasonable...If you think that Prop's H & I were properly thought out and conceived, if what you have learned so far doesn't show you how poorly those propositions were crafted, well, just stand by... the damage ain't over yet, and can't be reversed...

So, Steve, please continue to show your true colors of truth and common sense...I for one like it!!!

To LOL you might want to re-read my post. I did not advocate for anyone or any side of this issue. I encouraged readers to educate themselves, get the initiatives and spend a few minutes actually understanding what each one says and what affect each could have. Yet you took great exception to my suggestion. Reasonable minds say “go figure”.
You want to have honest communication I suggest you stick to facts and be prepared.
Seems to me encouraging seniors to educate themselves and not fall prey to rumor and 1/8 truth is logical and does show support of seniors. It’s a free country support who and what you may.

Steve Conaway

LOL--re-read my post, :"Oh, and it's LYING---not lieing, I know because spell check tells me that every time. The English Language..go figure.."

I KNOW BECAUSE SPELL CHECK TELLS ME THAT EVERYTIME---as in, I make the same mistake, and how confusing the English Language is. Sorry, you didnt get what I was trying to say.

June Bug you are the patient one on this blog, you Steve and Pancone keep it civil and on topic. Ever feel like your the house Mother at some Frat House??
LOL--I think escalating the anger and divisiveness isnt helping anyone, you arent helping your cause by coming across so irrational. And I think you want the best for Seniors, but the Rent Control group say they do too. It's important the seniors out there at El Dorado get the facts so they can decide, and your approach to this isnt helping. Vilifying the other side is not going to get your point across. Oh, and them selves is one word--themselves. Sorry, I couldnt help my self. Or is that myselves?

Could "myselves" be classified as "split personality redundant" :)

Could be Steve, could be...

Seems like LOL has left the building...well, reckon the tyrade didn't work any better this time than in the past...

should I put out an APB? Irate citizen, slightly confused, last seen on Bard and Saratoga?

As a resident of El Dorado until a few weeks ago, I wonder what the management and owners of Star Management are afraid of. If you dislike it there, how do you get out? It is a miserable place to live. My husband and I came to hate it there vehemently. We put our home up for sale and after over 3 years hadn't been able to close the dela. Many people expressed an interest but after meeding with the park management even briefly they just moved on. The park doesn't do anything to help people, they say they do, but if you examine what they offer it is just a vaguely disguised gift to Star management of your home. So we just let them have it and left. What I can't understand is how people so easly can be fooled by the gestapo tactics of Star Management. I do understand that that many residents there are afraid of and rightly so of retaliation and fear of what they can do if the park does throw them out. But trust me from someone that has been there and left, it is so much better to be gone then stay there one minute longer than necessary. Seniors do need a protected place to live and it is my sincere hope that the council will have the courage to stand up to Star Management and protect the Seniors, all of them, who live there like the County has in other places.
Linda Roberts

Linda

You just let them have your home? Surely it would have sold for something. Are you still in Fillmore? I heard a rumor that a former colleague of yours just passed away. Sad if true. Good luck in your new home.

JB

I worked for a pastor, and at that time, he was given a mobile home, that could not be sold (I guess a tax deductible gift). I also had a friend who was trying to sell a mobile home (these were the single wide, less expensive ones) and what he finally got for his mom's mobile home, well, he practically gave that one away too.

great story fillmore native..... I had a dog that took a nap under a tree once.

Officially, are you related to David Roegner? Quit with the quips. Not funny at all! Stop embarrassing people who post sensible comments.

Maybe there would be some hope if the contract Mrs. Roberts made with SM would be under 30 days from signing; maybe an attorney could review the terms of contract and determine if the home could be reverted back to Mr and Mrs Roberts.

And the discussion continues. This article posted in the Ventura County Star today, 7/16/09 shows the complex natures of both sides of this debate.

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/jul/16/judge-rules-on-city-mo...

For those with an open mind and care about this issue the Ventura County Star has posted another article, in the 8/22/09 edition, on Mobile Home Rent Control. The bottom line is the city of Ventura overstepped its authority in a condo conversion process at one of the parks in Ventura. The city was challenged and lost. City was ordered to pay for plaintiffs legal fees and ordered to allow the conversion per state law.

Several days ago I made a post to the incorrect thread on Rent Control. Here is a recap of that post. I spoke to an owner of a mobile home in the Lemonwood park in Ventura and inquired about their rents. They said the rent in the park ranges from $700 to a little over $1000 a month. The rents go up every year, they've never gone down. Management recents sent notice that they were going to reduce rents by $40 a month. In exchange each mobile home would begin to pay for their own trash and sewer and some other fees which I don't recall.